Join Ben, Karen and Jenn as we discuss the dangers of calcium supplementation and its relationship to hormone status in women. We go into thyroid issues and keto (Jenn is thinking about eating a sweet potato!) and discuss the whys and hows of supplement recommendations for Vitamins A, D, K, zinc, magnesium, phosphorus, potassium, iodine and selenium. We also touch on the Alkaline diet issue. Lots of chemistry on this ep, broken down into useful info and relevant recommendations.

Products mentioned in the show:

Calcium Citrate

Cod Liver Oil

Vitamin D3/K2 drops

Vitamin D3/K2 drops

 

Kelp pills

Kelp pills

Good multivitamin with Selenium

Zinc Picolinate

Zinc Picolinate

 

 

 

 

 

 

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SHOW NOTES

03:00 The flu’s going around – Zicam, zinc
06:30 Why is Jenn contemplating eating a sweet potato?
08:30 Leanne Vogel, carb-up enthusiast and Teresa Tipton Mealy, thyroid whisperer
12:00 Keto is usually favorable for thyroid issues but Jenn may try therapeutic carbs and that’s ok
15:30 If you feel deprived on keto there are other ways to reach optimal health (but Jenn does not feel deprived)
17:30 Keto treats are dangerous indulgences for many of us, more so than low-GI carbs maybe
20:00 CALCIUM – a public service announcement
21:00 How calcium functions in the body depends on gender, age, hormonal status
23:00 Does hormone replacement therapy cause cancer?
24:00 Benefits of bioidentical hormone replacement therapy
27:00 Calcium carbonate is not great, calcium citrate is the only calcium supplement you should take if you want to supplement
30:00 Vitamin A — eat your vegetables and liver, or take cod oil
35:00 Vitamin D — get 10 minutes of naked sunbathing, or take supplement along with K2
43:00 Sunlight-generated vitamin D is good, getting too much sun is bad
47:00 Vitamin K — eat natto or supplement, Thorne liquid d3/k2 drops
53:00 Warning — megadoses of vitamin K contraindicated if you’re on blood thinners
54:00 BOTTOM LINE: Supplement D3 and K2. If you’re premenopause female, or male, or postmenopause but on hormone replacement, you probably shouldn’t supplement calcium. Postmenopausal women not on HRT probably should supplement with calcium citrate, and D3/K2.
56:00 Standard Impulsive Keto electrolyte recommendations: sodium, magnesium, potassium
62:30 Should you take megadoses of potassium like Raymund from Optimal Ketogenic Living recommends? NO. Ben goes on the record why
67:00 OTHER ELECTROLYTES: Chlorine – free rider with salt
68:00 Phosphorus – a real concern if you sweat a lot
72:30 Zinc – you are probably deficient, and that’s bad
75:30 Zinc/Copper ratio is important, and now tracked on Cronometer. Other ratios too.
83:00 Birth control pills can mess with the zinc:copper ratio, insomnia, PMS
85:00 SELF-DIAGNOSED THYROID FOLKS: knock it off with the megadoses of iodine
88:00 Get some iodine, though – kelp tablets if nothing else
96:00 Selenium – eat 1-2 Brazil nuts but not more, or take multivitamin
99:00 Alkalinity – why you might care about your pH balance
105:00 Is eating keto going to demineralize your bones?
109:00 Potential Renal Acid Load (PRAL)
113:00 Urinary Tract Infections

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00:38 yellow thing in the tapas is alive hello
00:49 another edition of the impulsive keto
00:52 cast I’m your host Ben McDonald today’s
00:54 episode 30 minerals we’re gonna talk a
00:57 little bit about some of the minor
00:59 electrolytes and associated minerals and
01:03 why if you’re an athlete you may want to
01:05 focus a little bit on making sure that
01:06 you’re getting enough certainly for many
01:10 folks they will find that the
01:12 recommendations we make today especially
01:14 around some ratios are really going to
01:16 have a big impact on the flow of things
01:21 flow so to speak I’d say okay museum
01:27 helps with the flow of things like here
01:29 I had over 300 pounds autism mom Karen
01:33 was on the fast track to diabetes with
01:35 an a1c of 6.2 she’s on the home stretch
01:39 for her nutrition board exams in the
01:41 spring karen leads the team of
01:43 enthusiastic knowledgeable volunteers of
01:45 the impulsive keto Network along with
01:48 Diane Cummins inspiring others to
01:50 achieve their health and wellness goals
01:52 through simple food selection and meal
01:55 timing Karen how’s your flow great all
02:03 is well I’m kind of excited to talk
02:06 about this and really get into some of
02:09 the nitty-gritty of our favorite stall
02:12 techniques it’s certainly
02:13 topic that comes up often enough I
02:15 thought you were excited about the math
02:17 the ratios well you know that’s just I
02:21 mean that’s that’s an easy putt and hi I
02:23 like to get into that kind of stuff all
02:26 right you talk about ratios and I’ll
02:27 talk about food see there we go Jennifer
02:31 is a former type-2 diabetic who lost
02:33 over a hundred pounds using the
02:35 ketogenic diet an active moderator in
02:38 the impulsive keto groups she volunteers
02:40 her time helping others reclaim their
02:42 health and to get that a1c from four
02:46 point six that she worked so hard to
02:49 achieve for herself low a1c is the way
02:54 to be I understand you recently got off
02:58 an airplane I didn’t I have I did
03:03 however spend a week in Atlanta with a
03:06 bunch of people one of whom came down
03:07 with the with the flu and that’s the
03:11 vector of bad things I see that’s right
03:14 so she is she left the conference early
03:17 after infecting all of us thank you very
03:19 much and she’s getting a lot better but
03:22 she spent the last two days vomiting
03:25 anyway no details but so far I asked you
03:29 for recommendations you said little
03:32 Zicam little vitamin C’s stay away from
03:34 other people who might infect you get
03:37 some Tamiflu all right I didn’t get
03:39 anything because these minute clinics
03:42 and lines of them they’re like over two
03:44 hours long people you know gets nuts
03:47 however knock on wood so far so good
03:52 no problems yet huh but here’s hoping a
03:55 little antivirals Inc did the magic
03:58 trick I hope so I actually I sent one of
04:02 my minions out to get the to get the
04:04 zinc as I can and he came back
04:06 empty-handed he asked the pharmacist if
04:09 he should get it and the farmers like no
04:10 that stuff’s no good against the flu so
04:12 he’s like well pharmacists said it
04:13 wouldn’t no that’s alright silliness I
04:16 had to send another minion out to
04:18 actually do what I want well you know I
04:21 think is my favorite mineral zinc has
04:25 some very unique anti
04:27 I roll properties but it is a mechanical
04:29 process you have to put the zinc
04:32 molecule on the virus otherwise nothing
04:35 happens and that’s the problem so be
04:38 good to have sort of like a zinc lozenge
04:40 or something if you feel like you’re
04:41 coming down with the flu yeah what I
04:44 recommended to Jennifer was to try and
04:46 source some zinc acetate loss and just
04:49 as I cam is like a they have sprays and
04:53 loss and so the lozenge is a much better
04:55 way because you just want to sit there
04:56 and suck on that thing is the longer you
04:59 suck on it the more likely you’re gonna
05:01 run into some random collisions between
05:05 whatever virus is trying to take you
05:07 down and and the zinc molecule well if
05:12 the minion did not get the instructions
05:13 correct that even the second time we got
05:16 Zicam but because I came for the whole
05:18 group so uh that’s good I guess maybe I
05:22 don’t know is it good some people say so
05:27 as I cam the nasal spray is kind of
05:31 interesting because it has a reputation
05:34 for occasionally blowing out people’s
05:36 senses of smell Oh yikes well we didn’t
05:39 get that we got swabs and nasal swabs
05:42 and these rapid melt tabs okay yeah the
05:46 the tabs are definitely the much better
05:48 choice than anything going up your nose
05:51 when it comes to zinc just based on
05:53 there have been enough reports that
05:55 there must be something screwy that goes
05:57 on and people wear zinc and nose not
06:00 necessarily a good combination yeah
06:04 everybody took the tabs and we only got
06:07 rid of like a couple of the swabs cool
06:10 so I’ll stick to my neti pot I don’t see
06:14 there you go now Jenna in the last show
06:18 you were discussing this sweet potato
06:23 thing and what we failed to realize is
06:25 we talk all the time so we had perfect
06:28 understanding of why we were talking
06:30 about giving sweet potatoes to somebody
06:32 on a ketogenic board yeah would you be
06:36 so kind as to just spend a minute and
06:38 explain yourself
06:40 I’m sorry I know it’s kind of edgy
06:43 betraying the keto cause by
06:45 contemplating a therapeutic carb up and
06:51 I know I carb up I think you Olli and
06:56 Vogel like $2 enrolled he’s just for
06:58 saying that oh my god
07:00 well and I’ve been listening to her
07:03 podcasts and I some of it I’m not going
07:06 to get into it but some of what she says
07:08 is interesting to me because I’ve been
07:10 struggling with my my thyroid issues
07:12 since a number of episodes ago you and
07:14 Karen clued me into low thyroid symptoms
07:17 and I realized you were talking about me
07:19 oh and I got tested and sure enough
07:22 although my TSH was within the lab
07:25 ranges he was high and then I got all
07:30 the reverse t3 in the t3 and the reverse
07:32 t4 the t4 and all the antibodies test
07:35 isn’t it turns out that my t3 the active
07:38 part of the whole system it’s supposed
07:40 to be driving your metabolism is Teresa
07:43 Teresa Miele said I’m just shocked that
07:47 you’re able to walk around and be normal
07:50 so the the low t3 level has been
07:55 concerning and I’ve been working with
07:56 her taking hormone replacements and
07:59 trying to get things fixed but I’ve also
08:02 been researching on my own and there’s a
08:05 number of people that argue that for
08:07 women that our hormones are very
08:09 sensitive to the stresses involved in
08:13 following a ketogenic diet and that
08:17 sustained levels of high cortisol or or
08:19 whatever some magic be yeah I’m not no
08:23 no swearing anyway there so that was
08:28 involved but bottom line
08:32 Leanne Vogel said on occasion consuming
08:36 some either sweet potato or or fruit or
08:40 something yeah could help restore the
08:48 hormonal balance or somebody whose
08:50 hormones have been disrupted so
08:54 oh I don’t know I have the self-control
08:56 I know I have the self-control to not be
08:59 like I’m gonna go have ice cream and
09:01 cake and doughnuts but I’m not even in
09:07 their battle even want that stuff but if
09:10 I can use this in a therapeutic fashion
09:12 to have sweet potato carbs rushing
09:16 through my system and that’ll make my
09:18 thyroid happy so that would be
09:20 acceptable to me I I would much rather
09:24 see people you know do a monthly
09:27 experiment with a sweet potato or a
09:29 banana or something like that then see
09:33 them eat these cutified treats on a
09:35 regular basis yeah I know the coupon
09:39 taste make unifight rates are clearly
09:43 disruptive to the gut biome you know
09:45 I’ve done this and you have experimented
09:48 with going the sweetener moratorium and
09:51 and my health was much improved by that
09:53 I realize many people do not feel they
09:55 have the health issue with these
09:56 sweeteners but I definitely definitely
09:59 can save it it improved my health to cut
10:02 them out well it makes sense and I
10:06 thought why I’d be interesting just to
10:08 spend a minute talking about this is
10:10 nutrition is not a one size fits all if
10:14 you’ve been listening to us for a while
10:16 hopefully you hear that there’s a lot of
10:18 wiggle room and individuality in how
10:21 people respond to different nutritional
10:23 inputs I’m I’ve very rarely use words
10:27 like always and never and it’s because
10:31 it just doesn’t work that way in
10:34 everyone you know I can say in general
10:36 and most of the time and for most people
10:39 and things like that very differently it
10:48 really does and I think we have to
10:50 respect the fact that it you know for
10:53 Jennifer she’s coming out of a scenario
10:55 where we have metabolic derangement the
10:59 disease that is in remission right now
11:02 and we have secondary markers on the
11:06 axis of thyroid you know under the care
11:09 of a practitioner who you know I trained
11:12 at I FM in worldling she’s an hormone
11:15 expert by all measures if the medication
11:21 isn’t enough or if there’s a way to
11:22 solve it with food without needing to go
11:26 to lifelong medication awesome right
11:33 sure I’m curious them without you know I
11:37 just don’t want to tempt the the demon
11:41 you know like an alcoholic you know just
11:43 one sip and active shoving doughnuts in
11:45 my face well and I also say that for
11:48 most women it does seem like when we get
11:52 folks showing up with hyperthyroid they
11:56 they’re in the levels go way up their
11:58 conversion rate especially their ratio
12:01 if you will Karen goes up quite a bit
12:03 between reverse t3 and free t3 we know
12:07 that that that low inflammation state
12:10 that comes with ketosis seems to be
12:13 quite favorable for most people
12:15 situations right primarily because we
12:18 know that a lot of this hypothyroidism
12:20 is autoimmune you know it’s on that axis
12:23 it’s not always a full-blown deal but
12:26 there’s something going on and if you
12:28 can reduce that inflammation a lot of
12:30 times whatever’s going on kind of
12:32 settles now so I you know I I welcome
12:35 the experiment we you know we certainly
12:37 we didn’t want to be shy about talking
12:39 about it and you know if a sweet potato
12:41 works out and then so be it
12:44 it low-carb is really the goal here we
12:47 certainly think that the advantages of
12:50 being in full-blown ketosis are many and
12:53 varied but you know we’re not getting
12:57 paid to make sure that your carbs are
13:00 below 20 we just want you to be that
13:03 your optimal health and for your unique
13:06 situation it might be a little bit more
13:08 carbs I mean the thing that worries me
13:10 about this that you alluded to last last
13:14 episode ban is that with my history of
13:16 type 2 diabetes
13:17 granted my a1c 4.6 couldn’t be better
13:20 but what if I tuck into this sweet
13:22 potato and my system encounters carbs
13:25 for the first time in at least a couple
13:28 years and what if it freaks yeah I ain’t
13:32 a reactive hypoglycemia is a very real
13:35 possibility for sure uh it will be
13:40 interesting to see and you know we’re
13:42 doing the experiment and we appreciate
13:44 you being candid with what your
13:46 experiences and I’m sure once you’ve had
13:49 a chance to experiment a little bit
13:51 you’ll talk a little bit about that
13:52 experience you know the one thing that I
13:55 will note that I think is really
13:57 interesting we bagged on Lee Ann a lot
13:59 because she makes a lot of
14:01 recommendations that are difficult to
14:04 defend but in general the one thing
14:09 that’s interesting is her her
14:11 recommendations are based on her
14:13 experience and she comes from a
14:17 multi-axis derangement of hormones and
14:23 there is a long story there of you know
14:27 strange nutrition that that I think she
14:31 even had a loss of her period for many
14:34 years so we’re talking massive
14:37 derangement of the hormones nice you
14:40 know not just I read like she was messed
14:42 up yeah though maybe for her and maybe
14:46 for some people a higher carbohydrate
14:49 intake is what they need and okay you
14:53 know that’s kind of the fun part about
14:55 trying to figure out what’s unique to
14:57 you we can set out a template you figure
14:59 out what what works best for you it’s
15:02 all good man we don’t know we’re not mad
15:05 about that because I don’t want to
15:08 betray the cause we don’t want to regret
15:10 you you’re orange demon tuber there it’s
15:17 it to be clear my problem with Lian I
15:20 don’t know
15:22 you know enough about some for
15:23 recommendations to say you know do they
15:25 apply for one as you say no nothing
15:27 really should but she talks about her
15:30 deprivation on keto and she was just
15:33 longing
15:33 have carbs and so she’s you know found
15:36 this way to have it and I have never
15:38 been a healthy place to be at if that’s
15:41 how you feel like eating
15:43 I would I would tell you not to be on
15:46 keto we’d find a different way to solve
15:48 your problem yeah there are many many
15:51 different programs that you can follow
15:52 you know there would be primal or paleo
15:55 or whole three years we’d belly where
15:58 you can incorporate higher carb foods
16:01 that are still whole natural healthful
16:05 quantities that if you can’t if you just
16:11 can’t suffer keto our theme all along
16:21 has been the reason we’re such
16:22 passionate advocates about ketosis is
16:25 for most the experience is a sense of
16:29 relief that written removal of hunger
16:34 and lack of satiety that you experience
16:38 on carbohydrates the ability to generate
16:43 large calorie deficit without being
16:45 angry all the time those are things that
16:48 come with ketosis that do not come with
16:51 some other diets but in the end love
16:54 weight comes from calorie deficit so we
16:58 we want to work backwards from what is
17:00 emotionally tolerable to provide high
17:04 compliance to that deficit because that
17:06 is the only way to lose weight I think
17:11 that keto life for me has has just I
17:14 haven’t felt deprived one minute and
17:18 that’s made the world of difference to
17:21 being able to live life with not you
17:24 know gorging on thoughts the potato
17:29 leads to you know you diving headfirst
17:31 into a case of Krispy Kreme well we’ll
17:33 come save you thank you thank you very
17:36 much it was interesting we were talking
17:39 in admin chat either last night or this
17:41 morning about how many of us feel that
17:45 we do fine
17:48 as long as we’re sticking to meats and
17:50 veggies yes we start busting out the
17:54 keto cookies at Moscow bars and stuff
17:58 like that people lose their minds even
18:00 even folks who are you know admins of a
18:04 ketosis board you would think would have
18:07 a really good understanding and a pretty
18:09 good handle on how to do the diet and
18:12 maximizing its potential still these
18:15 these sweeteners just trigger this thing
18:18 in your lizard brain and it go nuts
18:21 yeah it’s lose rational control and you
18:25 can justify all sorts of nonsense just
18:29 that halo top that’s it and it’s on for
18:35 some people that’s true and my wife can
18:37 milk a halo top garden for like two
18:40 weeks
18:40 she’s insane I don’t I no longer trust
18:44 her as a human being to make rational
18:46 decisions because no human being should
18:49 be able to do that if you told me she
18:55 eats mint chip I’m like well there’s
18:56 your answer right there you’ll see I
18:58 hate men
18:59 so that’s the only flavor that can last
19:02 in my house otherwise the the 8 p.m.
19:06 panther comes along gobbles that stuff
19:09 up it’s like at a time bits of chocolate
19:13 is suspended in this frothy creamy
19:17 mouthwash yeah that’s how I feel which
19:20 is why it’s perfectly safe
19:24 before this before my sweetener
19:27 moratorium but that I’m in ship was my
19:29 favorite but now I can take it or leave
19:31 it I have control it’s gone I think
19:36 that’s a big piece of this yeah kind of
19:39 have to be honest about where you’re at
19:41 and what your triggers are I know I’m
19:49 proud of you all right moving right
19:53 along I feel
19:57 oh boy I rinse that out with some citric
20:01 acid it’s a true lemon so in discussing
20:11 hormone derangement earlier in the week
20:15 I thought a really interesting topic
20:16 came up and I I just wanted to do a
20:18 quick pass on this and kind of do some
20:21 public service announcements all right
20:25 calcium yeah all old ladies should take
20:30 calcium right everybody knows that
20:32 because the old ladies get brittle bones
20:35 osteoporosis I’m scowling at you right
20:37 now this is well understood I didn’t
20:40 accuse you of being one of them okay
20:43 calcium is good for the bones and that’s
20:45 why drinking lots of dairy is important
20:47 well of calcium so here’s what I wanted
20:58 to talk about they’re lifting heavy
21:02 things again are you oh oh I hadn’t even
21:05 considered that angle Oh point am I
21:10 talking BOTS here here’s here’s of what
21:15 the transpires estrogen has a powerful
21:19 role in bone mineralization post
21:26 menopause women’s estrogen levels drop
21:30 dramatically when that occurs they are a
21:35 great risk of bone demineralization
21:38 their density starts to go backwards
21:41 that calcium lattice breaks down and
21:43 they they’re unable to retain the
21:45 calcium in their bones there’s two ways
21:51 to solve that number one don’t get old I
21:55 think that’s the easy one most people
21:57 should really focus on that stay young
22:00 forever okay that’s that it’s just that
22:03 easy what I think is a reasonable
22:10 alternative
22:11 but certainly I wouldn’t say
22:13 controversial but not everyone wants to
22:16 go down this road is hormone replacement
22:18 therapy we we’re not talking about mega
22:21 doses just adding a little bit of
22:23 estrogen cream back into your situation
22:28 will be enough to hold on to that bone
22:31 density yeah a lot of people find this
22:36 spooky like myself included I find
22:39 breast cancer if you take hormone
22:41 replacement therapy well how did you
22:43 make it the first 50 years without
22:45 getting breast cancer oh yeah that
22:52 argument breaks down very quickly when
22:55 you start going all we’re doing is
22:57 replacing bioidentical hormones that you
23:01 had going in your body for the majority
23:05 of your life certainly from puberty to
23:07 about five years ago
23:08 so I find it spooky but I don’t know why
23:13 exactly I find it spooky and I think
23:15 that’s out there in our in our culture
23:17 as women they start talking about
23:19 manipulating hormones and replacing
23:21 hormones and we get a little skittish
23:23 actually yeah I went into this with
23:26 Teresa because as I mentioned earlier
23:27 she’s working with around the hormones
23:29 and and she’s got me on these
23:32 bioidentical natural hormones that I’m
23:35 using to try and fix the situation and
23:38 she had me read this book by this other
23:40 PhD person and I forget who I’m sorry
23:43 it was a great book and in the book
23:45 thanks they went into the whole hormone
23:48 replacement causes cancer thing and
23:50 apparently it was an issue with
23:52 synthetic hormones which they pushed by
23:55 Pharma because they could patent them
23:58 and sell them as opposed to actual
24:00 natural hormones right yes yet there
24:04 definitely was a problem there but when
24:08 we’re talking about bioidentical hormone
24:10 replacement we’re literally talking
24:12 about just putting in the literally the
24:15 compound that was in you for the first
24:18 40 years of your life there’s no
24:21 additional risk and
24:24 you know that that’s certainly I
24:26 wouldn’t say a a neutral statement
24:29 there’s bias on that I I have seen so
24:32 many older women have an improved
24:36 quality of life by pursuing a little you
24:41 know hormone replacement therapy yeah
24:43 I’ve seen that too the interesting thing
24:46 here is this estrogen keeps the calcium
24:50 in your bones and when you remove the
24:55 estrogen not only does it start to come
24:57 out of your bones but it stick to your
25:00 arteries one of the common causes for a
25:06 perfectly healthy cardiovascular woman
25:10 to all of a sudden have a heart attack
25:12 is menopause that estrogen drop causes a
25:16 profound shift in where your calcium is
25:20 going it’s a really powerful argument
25:23 that it’s crazy when you look at you can
25:26 take somebody who has terrible lipids
25:28 and put them on estrogen cream post post
25:31 menopause and their lipids will change
25:35 you’ll be like this is not the same
25:37 person and it’s just because of the
25:40 hormone so there’s some really
25:44 interesting arguments for that but here
25:46 here’s kind of the bigger picture if
25:49 your pre menopause you have normal sex
25:53 hormone levels there and you’re eating a
25:56 ketogenic diet especially if you’re
25:57 eating the I came odda loved meats and
26:00 vegetables you got me right you’re
26:03 getting plenty of calcium in your
26:05 natural diet especially if you eat
26:07 cheese the way I know Karen does when I
26:11 want to stop cheese but I don’t know how
26:14 to quit it my son and I were actually
26:21 having a discussion I did a case study
26:24 with a seven-year-old and I removed
26:25 dairy from his diet and and we were
26:29 talking about substitutes and he has
26:30 agreed that goats and a sheep’s milk
26:34 cheese are are welcome so
26:37 Institute if you can’t tolerate it Oh
26:40 switch from cheese to cheese is his
26:43 argument fortified nut milk and then I
26:52 told him about cashew cheese he wants to
26:54 try that on the weekend oh that sounds
26:56 good yeah so here’s something else that
27:00 we’ve noticed if you take someone and
27:03 put them on calcium carbonate that is
27:07 the common cheap form of calcium yeah
27:10 you get that at any CVS or in Canada
27:13 shoppers yeah if you go to the drugstore
27:15 and buy calcium pills it’s calcium
27:17 carbonate yep this calcium if you were
27:22 to look at that population over time
27:24 people who take calcium pills have more
27:26 plaque yeah than people who don’t I like
27:29 to say calcium is a stupid mineral it
27:32 has no sense of direction it does not
27:35 know where to go no now we can influence
27:40 that a couple of ways Karen the first
27:55 thing that you can do is switch from
27:57 calcium carbonate to calcium citrate
28:03 calcium citrate is the only form of
28:06 calcium you should be supplementing if
28:08 for some reason you think you need to
28:11 supplement calcium there is clear
28:15 evidence crystal clear evidence I need
28:18 to go dig up these studies in so we can
28:19 put them in the show notes all right
28:21 that you shall not take calcium
28:25 carbonate if calcium citrate is
28:28 available because it would you be crazy
28:30 to increase your risk because it is
28:32 substantial it is not zero at all all
28:40 right just to be sure calcium carbonate
28:42 bad and I’ll say I’m sorry okay dad are
28:45 they there I’m not gonna say good but
28:48 there are things you have to
28:50 you okay but Karen you need to know
28:53 something cuz I just found out about
28:54 this
28:55 we love our nut milks right yeah silk
28:59 for two fives their nut milks with
29:02 calcium carbonate yeah that’s right yeah
29:08 if you take oyster shell and ground it
29:10 up you get calcium carbonate yeah so
29:12 that’s what they do
29:14 saw is not good because artificial
29:19 fortified forms of calcium for the most
29:21 part are the wrong kind now you don’t
29:23 need to go out of your way to avoid it
29:25 okay but don’t put it in a pill and then
29:28 put it in your mouth on purpose all
29:31 right but I can still have my nut milk I
29:34 give it to my son do not take a thousand
29:38 milligrams of calcium carbonate thinking
29:41 you’re doing your health a favor yeah
29:42 it’s just not good got it so in addition
29:47 to that there is a suite of chemicals
29:52 that can help inform this calcium where
29:56 it’s supposed to go vitamin A vitamin D
30:01 and vitamin K now if you’re eating an
30:07 impulsive keto model diet you’re eating
30:09 vegetables many people on the ketogenic
30:13 model are buttering pork rinds and not
30:16 eating vegetables at all oh and if
30:18 you’re not eating nose-to-tail your
30:22 vitamin A intake may be quite low now if
30:26 you eat a lot of liver or you know
30:28 you’re going out of your way to get you
30:30 know full you know organ meats awful
30:33 whatever you want to call it your
30:35 vitamin A is probably fine but if you
30:38 don’t ever eat liver your vitamin A is
30:41 pretty low if you don’t eat veggies
30:42 sometimes anybody that eats any kind of
30:47 vegetables does not need to supplement
30:49 vitamin A yeah no I have it in my
30:53 cupboard and I never take it it’s just
30:55 with the diet that I eat for the most
30:58 part it’s kind of spooky I don’t really
31:01 it it can’t
31:04 you late it can become toxic yeah so I
31:07 just tried to get a free boot I do eat
31:09 liver
31:10 I was I was showing our admins a picture
31:13 of my dog while I was eating liver
31:18 staring at you make a point to eat liver
31:24 myself and one of my cats is just insane
31:27 for it and I have to give him I have to
31:29 share with him but liver liver is one of
31:36 those things where you either you love
31:37 it or you hate it so you know Pete there
31:40 are vitamin A deficiency can be a thing
31:43 or if you’re my wife you don’t know that
31:44 you eat it because it gets ground into
31:46 your cup and put it in in a meat loaf
31:55 see around here they they sell it in the
31:58 freezer section in slices of you putting
32:05 it into taco meat so I pulled that
32:07 little slice out of the freezer and I
32:09 run it through the old cheese grater
32:11 making the taco meat so now there’s
32:14 liver in the taco meat but it shut it up
32:17 so nobody gets a bite of liver and I
32:19 dump chili powder all over it nobody can
32:21 taste it I’m trying to find some like we
32:24 can just get it raw here and I’m trying
32:28 to find a butcher that will grind it for
32:31 me because I like to put it in meatloaf
32:33 it’s not coming from and it’s just hard
32:35 to get into the right consistency that I
32:37 want for me though and no one will do it
32:40 like they these are butchers and they
32:42 can’t stand liver and they say no I
32:44 can’t stand cleaning out my meat grinder
32:46 if it’s got liver in it oh it’s bizarre
32:49 you’re gonna have to get one of those
32:51 little KitchenAid grinder attachment I
32:53 have the spiralizer for my zoodles so
32:56 I’m hoping I will get the meat grinder
33:05 yeah I around here for some reason my
33:10 neighborhood chuck roast is not a
33:14 desirable cut yeah
33:16 so the chuck roast
33:17 goes on mega sale all the time so
33:20 instead of coming home with ground meat
33:25 I can come home with chuck roast and
33:27 then run it through the grinder and
33:28 grind it myself
33:31 yes I need that all the time my husband
33:34 he is so disgusted by the smell of
33:36 livery yeah he’s like at this master
33:39 chef and he’s enthusiastic but he can’t
33:42 stand the smell of liver and I have to
33:44 cook it to myself if I’m gonna have it
33:47 it’s not the only one so many people
33:50 that I talk to you say there’s
33:50 absolutely no way that’s going to be our
33:52 next challenge we’ve done sardines we
33:56 need to show people how to eat liver if
33:59 they don’t like liver so you’re talkin
34:05 Ted with bacon and onions yeah nobody’s
34:08 gonna eat that good luck on that test I
34:12 when I was very little we had English
34:14 nannies and they are very keen on once a
34:18 week you eat organ meats that’s sort of
34:20 the the tradition this is how you stay
34:22 healthy and they would try to make me
34:26 eat this this liver and onions and as a
34:28 three-year-olds that just wasn’t gonna
34:29 happen I love it like you take like a
34:34 like a liver you wrap it with like a
34:36 little sliver of water chestnut and
34:39 everything exactly yeah well it says you
34:47 so moving right along vitamin A is found
34:52 in the liver and cod liver oil is
34:54 another good source for it but if you’re
34:57 not getting that you may want to
34:58 supplement it a little bit but if you’re
35:00 eating any kind of vegetables you’re
35:02 fine you do have to convert that there
35:07 are two forms of it this gets into the
35:12 weeds really quick I don’t even want to
35:14 go down suffice it I’d rather see people
35:17 not risk it and try together from an
35:20 animal source yeah if you’re gonna buy
35:23 it it’s to buy the expensive one not the
35:26 cheap one
35:29 get the cod liver that’s what you gotta
35:31 do it’s okay so vitamin D is the next
35:38 one now this is this is the sunlight
35:43 mediated vitamin you go out and you get
35:45 your ten minutes of sunlight a day on
35:47 your skin you say I’m not doing that I
35:49 think I need more more d well for most
35:53 people in the winter their vitamin D
35:56 levels are not going to be adequate it’s
35:58 been really cold outside with the advent
36:01 of compelling forums like our own forum
36:05 on Facebook many people are not getting
36:07 it during the summer either oh they’re
36:10 staying inside typey typey typey I gotta
36:13 take it outside guys that’s right yeah
36:16 me too vitamin D is very important to
36:22 have enough of it causes all manner of
36:25 downstream problems if you don’t have
36:27 enough so let me let me ask guys I read
36:29 something I don’t know how about it was
36:31 that said that sunlight generated
36:34 vitamin D is different than the the
36:36 supplement stuff and it bio it has
36:39 different bio actions is that true yes
36:42 however the the process to convert that
36:48 is very easy on your body and unless you
36:53 have a very rare defect you have no
36:56 trouble with it okay that is uh that is
36:59 a claim to be ignored in general alright
37:02 so I can stay in my cave that’s cool
37:04 there are smaller tables that have major
37:08 problems both with absorption and with
37:12 conversion a very small number of people
37:15 but those people know exactly who they
37:17 are because when they get their blood
37:20 tests their doctor goes what what is
37:23 going on here and then they run the real
37:25 test and go oh you’re gonna need magic
37:30 pills yeah four shots in some cases well
37:34 there’s a lot of people that get vitamin
37:37 D shot like every two weeks they’re a
37:39 mega mega dose of a very weird version
37:42 of vitamin D
37:43 you know once a week kind of thing no
37:48 there has been a problem in my province
37:50 with nutritionists recommending mega
37:55 doses of vitamin D bad idea it’s a very
37:59 it’s a very bad idea it became such a
38:01 problem they’ve actually taken that away
38:02 from the natural paths it normally could
38:05 recommend certain mega doses they are no
38:07 longer allowed all the fat soluble
38:09 vitamins can be overdosed
38:11 that’s right so that you know ad k1 so
38:14 forth
38:15 II don’t don’t go nuts on any of those
38:18 you want to you know keep your putt in
38:21 the middle of the green on that one and
38:22 for most people a thousand two thousand
38:27 I use of D is very reasonable and will
38:30 keep them well within normal range and
38:34 when you go to the CVS that is going to
38:37 be the lowest dose on the Shelf most are
38:41 like 10,000 or 15,000 or 20,000 those
38:45 are a horse doses yeah way more than you
38:48 need and way more than you know you can
38:50 use which is the other part of this with
38:52 all this does is provoke this protein
38:55 that gets created that the protein
38:57 informs vitamin K so they can pick up
38:59 the calcium and put it where it needs to
39:00 go that this is a finite it’s a this is
39:03 a game of sufficiency not of efficiency
39:07 it you know once you have gas in the
39:10 tank your your car will go forward
39:12 putting more gas in the tank does not
39:14 make your car go faster okay you say you
39:20 can overdose on vitamin D yes it would
39:23 be very hard to do this with food okay
39:26 but like let’s say I’m outside and I get
39:27 like a whole day of sunlight you know
39:29 I’m out at Six Flags and I’ve been just
39:32 soaking it in the whole day okay so hold
39:34 on Jennifer there’s an important
39:35 question are you naked yeah because that
39:43 matters a great deal you know just like
39:47 a t-shirt and shorts you know you’ve
39:49 been to Six Flags you know how it is
39:50 you’re not getting as much as you think
39:52 you are if you’re wearing clothes yeah
39:54 that that’s what Ben is always naked in
39:56 the
39:57 correct I mean how would you know that I
40:00 mean how dare you in the summer when I
40:09 go out to get the eggs from the chickens
40:11 when I got to get the paper I am quick I
40:14 throw my t-shirt off and every single
40:19 time for 20 get my therapeutic vitamin D
40:31 from the Sun yeah never close got it oh
40:33 and streaking correct there is no choice
40:36 but to sunbathe naked that’s that’s the
40:39 official recommendations but I do have a
40:43 neighbor that has chickens so I can just
40:46 like streak across my backyard into his
40:50 so so vitamin D will not be you you
40:55 can’t really get into an overdose
40:56 situation through natural exposure
40:59 I think the theoretical like you start
41:02 to run out of substrate I think you can
41:04 a make up to a certain amount and then
41:07 you run out of enzymes I don’t know that
41:09 I’d have to look that up in a book but
41:12 there there is some regulation on that
41:14 where you don’t just keep making it like
41:16 there’s some weirdo you know gene out
41:19 there where there are people that
41:21 produce too much but never heard of that
41:24 there’s a gene for everything that is
41:31 every not chancing anyone listening to
41:33 our show would need to worry about a lot
41:37 of sunlight then do I just like not want
41:40 a supplement that day that’s correct if
41:42 you’re getting in 15 or 20 minutes of
41:44 sunlight in a t-shirt especially in the
41:47 summer there’s no reason to supplement
41:50 for most people okay okay live in Canada
41:56 you’re not hating your son well you know
42:00 there’s this whole we need start getting
42:06 up in moose country the Sun is up for 23
42:09 hours a day
42:10 that’s right machi you get know it so
42:14 the problem is if you’re in northern
42:17 exposures the Sun isn’t as brighter as
42:20 intense you know when you go to Jamaica
42:22 you get a sunburn a lot faster than you
42:26 do in Ontario no kidding
42:29 and that that has quite in effect so
42:33 your geography kind of informs how much
42:35 of this you can get away with if you
42:36 live in Malibu California you’re getting
42:40 a lot of sunlight just by going to the
42:42 parking lot and get in your car
42:46 supplement the d3 in in the winter and
42:49 spring and fall but in the summer I’m
42:51 outside you know the Sun is up from 4:00
42:54 a.m. until almost 10:00 p.m. so what
43:01 about getting skin cancer and sunscreen
43:02 and stuff because I thought and you go
43:04 outside the ozone I don’t know you’re
43:06 gonna die well it’s an interesting
43:09 question when you start talking about
43:11 you know one of the guys that I follow
43:15 on Facebook is a dr. Jack Cruz and he
43:21 talks a lot about sunlight exposure and
43:23 infrared light and its profound
43:26 favorable effects on the body and he
43:30 basically advocates being in the Sun all
43:32 the time well but then you go I thought
43:35 that gave you skin cancer if you did
43:38 that I and I’m supposed to be dumping
43:39 sunscreen on my body all the time right
43:43 like our ancestors did yeah he didn’t
43:45 have a good answer for that neither do I
43:46 I don’t know I know you’re not getting
43:49 skin cancer by being out of the Sun in a
43:50 reasonable amount of time I know that if
43:53 you get sunburns that it causes do you
43:56 know why your skin peels when you get a
43:58 sunburn have you ever heard about this
44:00 well it’s not when you get blisters and
44:04 your skin peels off it’s not because
44:07 your skin is physically damaged it’s
44:11 because your DNA is physically damaged
44:15 and you’ve evolved a process to remove
44:18 the cancer before it can spread Wow
44:21 Oh
44:22 when I learned that I got real and I’ve
44:27 shown Karen some pictures and there were
44:29 some seasons where I was outside very
44:33 dark not anymore
44:37 holy moly Wow carob I have a little bit
44:44 of Indian heritage so if I get enough
44:46 Sun I can I can go very dark it is I do
44:52 not do that I I did no more there will
44:55 be not that much Sun in my day because I
44:58 don’t want to get sunburned and being
45:00 tan it do you be being ultra mega tan
45:04 like Jersey Shore tan adds 3 SPF 3 so
45:12 it’s not like putting Hawaiian not
45:17 helping you you not get a sunburn so yes
45:21 so the reason your skin peels is because
45:23 the DNA is assuredly damaged and
45:26 cancerous so it just flakes off your
45:29 body just sheds it before I can spread
45:31 so basic my husband must be a mutant he
45:34 is Irish on one side and more Irish on
45:36 the other side and he he doesn’t so much
45:40 as like burn as burst into flames
45:45 indoors at all times well it’s a long
45:48 stretch my life I actually did that I
45:50 was a vampire if I went out in the Sun I
45:52 would instantly start getting hives it
45:55 doesn’t matter how often he’s out you
45:57 know he could be out every day in the
45:59 summer he doesn’t Han at all he doesn’t
46:01 have any sort of tolerance well it being
46:05 be careful with that but a normal amount
46:10 of sun exposure is not a problem and not
46:13 a concern but if you’re out in the sun
46:15 enough that you’re getting sunburns
46:17 especially more than a few times this
46:19 season you need to take a look at your
46:22 lifestyle and make some changes it’s
46:24 traumatically aging for your skin too I
46:26 know Ben doesn’t care about this but
46:28 when I worked at an aesthetician I could
46:30 look at a woman’s face and I could tell
46:33 just from looking at it
46:35 my little my little magnifying glass and
46:37 lights whether her husband did most of
46:40 the driving or she did most of the
46:42 driving out of the face where all the
46:46 sun damage was mom it’s older they look
46:49 older on that one side I’ve seen some
46:53 pretty crazy pictures of like truck
46:55 drivers who like to drive with the
46:56 window down arm is like crazy yes it’s
47:02 exactly like that and there are a lot of
47:04 my older female clients where they
47:07 typically the husband did all the
47:08 driving and it was right there on the
47:10 right side of the face Wow all right so
47:14 vitamin K going for a mirror right now
47:16 vitamin K every type of vitamin K what
47:20 so vitamin K is a vitamin who’s involved
47:24 in making sure that calcium goes where
47:27 it’s supposed to if you want your
47:31 calcium to come out of your arteries and
47:35 go back to your bones you need to
47:38 provide it with a D and K and your body
47:42 will do the rest
47:43 k is the uber for your your calcium K is
47:47 awesome here’s a problem there’s not
47:51 very much K in very many things that we
47:56 eat as North American citizens oh
48:02 there’s a little bit in broccoli like 23
48:06 micrograms eggs – there’s some in exits
48:13 yeah it’s not zero what your intake is
48:18 that I think the RDA is 90 micrograms
48:21 yeah if you look at some of the data and
48:26 you know Chris master John is on record
48:28 as saying 200 micrograms is kind of the
48:31 target based on the Western a price
48:34 surveys I tend to like that you know it
48:38 seems like it’s it’s a pretty reasonable
48:41 amount without being too much if if I
48:44 had cardiovascular disease plaques
48:46 forming I might even be willing to push
48:48 that a little
48:49 but higher but for me that the 200 is
48:52 about right what foods contains vitamin
48:57 K how can I guess my diet in foods oh
49:00 yeah
49:01 there’s very little broccoli yeah
49:04 broccoli alfalfa it’s in whole wheat
49:10 yeah green egg yolks mayonnaise sounds
49:16 yeah yes officially we’ve got soybean
49:20 oil in there too we need a bat GPAs and
49:25 the eggs you can get i think it’s 50
49:30 micrograms per tablespoon or something
49:33 crazy you were asking about that I was
49:36 busy but you’re talking about why is
49:37 there so much vitamin k2 with mayonnaise
49:39 like that’s a soybean oil
49:41 I could I could figure it out I’m like
49:43 it doesn’t have that many eggs what is
49:46 happening I just know you ever had natto
49:51 the Japanese fermented the rotten fish
49:54 thing no I don’t have anything to share
49:57 me enough to do that yeah so 444
50:02 micrograms per serving that’s right
50:05 so natto where they make vitamin K
50:10 vitamins from Oh big batches of natto
50:13 and then squeeze them awesome YUM so I
50:18 don’t have to eat the horrible stinky
50:20 thing I can just take the vitamin K dude
50:22 right I would like to go on record as
50:26 saying if you’re listening to this
50:27 podcast and you do not have a source of
50:30 200 micrograms of vitamin K that you
50:33 should go up on Amazon right now and
50:36 order the Thorne vitamin D vitamin k
50:40 combo drops 23 dollars is a year’s
50:44 supply of these two very important
50:49 vitamins to your calcium health 23 bucks
50:52 for a year supply and it’s a little
50:55 dropper and you just put two drops under
50:57 your tongue every day thank me later
51:00 it’s a little little insurance
51:02 but the calcium is not in your arteries
51:05 and you don’t break a hip it’s just not
51:08 in your food I if there are way to get
51:10 it on your food we’d kind of be
51:12 schlepping that a little bit more you
51:14 you can’t get there from here using
51:16 ketogenic food on a consistent daily
51:18 basis it really there is no Harmon in
51:21 supplementing it along with eating me
51:23 impulsive keto protocols of food the you
51:26 know eggs and greens and that sort of
51:29 thing because there is no establish
51:32 upper limit to it so you’re not really
51:35 gonna hurt yourself you’re adding that
51:38 we’re talking about micrograms here and
51:42 micrograms it’s very small amounts there
51:45 there’s a little you know I saw I was up
51:49 on Amazon looking for some
51:50 recommendations and there’s ones out
51:53 there like 25 milligrams it’s like oh
51:56 well that’s 16 thousand percent more
51:59 than the RDA is that gonna be bad is
52:04 that I would assume it’s out on Amazon
52:07 yeah there’s no established upper limit
52:10 to these things so I they just means
52:15 they don’t know they don’t know how much
52:16 is too much okay here’s what you got to
52:22 worry about anytime you start going
52:24 thousands when you have to talk about
52:26 magnitude above what isn’t available in
52:30 a natural diet then have to consider the
52:34 fact that your body did not evolve
52:36 protection mechanisms to allow for you
52:40 to eat a 12 gallon bucket of natto and
52:46 dinner body’s not prepared for that so
52:50 what are the consequences of that I
52:52 don’t know it may be nothing yeah it is
52:55 a megadose and you know that that
52:58 quantity that’s a prescriptive amount
53:00 right so unless your doctor is
53:02 specifically telling you to mega dose
53:04 your vitamin K there’s no point doing it
53:07 yeah
53:07 and that that will also adjust for the
53:10 the small number of people who may have
53:12 a DVT or some heart issue if your
53:16 we’re Ferren COO mod and anything that’s
53:19 like antique wagon land and clotting
53:21 agent vitamin k is something you need to
53:25 discuss with your doctor before you just
53:27 dive right in should be okay in those
53:30 amounts but you know if you eat the
53:32 packet insert and we’re fair and I’ll
53:33 tell ya don’t be eating too much
53:36 broccoli because even fifty milligrams
53:38 can be disruptive to the the efficacy of
53:40 that medication don’t take your
53:43 prescription eat some broccoli and then
53:45 shave yeah yeah you’ll bleed all day
53:52 okay
53:54 so that’s kind of the the deal with
53:56 calcium the takeaway here is if you’re
54:00 not supplementing vitamin D and vitamin
54:02 K we strongly recommend that you
54:05 consider it
54:06 I even give it to my kids that that’s
54:08 how serious I am about this everybody in
54:11 the family does that it’s super cheap
54:13 it’s $23 for a year supply if that it if
54:19 the one thing that you’re not getting
54:20 enough of that can keep you from having
54:23 a heart attack is out of your reach for
54:27 $23 I don’t you know why I don’t know
54:29 why you be listen to this podcast okay
54:35 you are on premenopause it is likely you
54:41 do not need to be on a calcium
54:44 replacement if you are male it’s
54:48 unlikely that you need to be on calcium
54:49 replacement if you’re on hormone
54:53 replacement therapy post menopause it’s
54:57 unlikely that you need calcium
54:58 replacement I’m sensing a trend here if
55:01 you are not replacing estrogen and post
55:05 menopause it is likely that you will
55:09 require calcium replacement in the form
55:11 of calcium citrate and that you also
55:16 need to make really sure that your
55:18 vitamin D and vitamin K is on point
55:24 looks good to me
55:26 that’s the calcium segment
55:28 did that I do all right but I’m not
55:31 going back to drinking milk in if you’re
55:34 healthy for the bones thing just no I
55:37 don’t think there’s as much calcium in
55:39 milk as the milk marketing board would
55:43 have you believe – I’m sure Karen could
55:45 speak to that better than I but I think
55:48 it doesn’t even make like the top ten of
55:51 calcium sources it’s kind of like
55:53 potassium and banana but bananas are
55:55 terrible source of potassium but nobody
55:58 knows that because because the doctor
56:00 just said banana yeah Chiquita has a
56:03 fantastic marketing arm it’s just
56:06 amazing the power of marketing boy oh
56:10 boy it is sure easy if you beat that
56:12 drum long enough and loud enough you can
56:15 you can make all sorts of things facts
56:17 there’s no doubt about that heart
56:19 healthy oatmeal hey now there was a
56:24 question about electrolytes that comes
56:27 up all the time
56:28 of course you Jennifer do you want to go
56:31 over our standard impulsive keto
56:33 electrolyte recommendations like cold oh
56:37 my god one day while she’s scrambling I
56:41 pull up that sheet probably got it right
56:45 here good all right sodium from your
56:48 food a thousand to three thousand
56:50 milligrams and maybe you want to
56:52 supplement 1.5 teaspoons of tables fault
56:55 table salt so a total four to six
56:58 thousand milligrams and it’s my
57:00 understanding that this should be
57:02 something that if it tastes good if
57:04 you’re not like you assault that’s a
57:07 sign that salt is good for you don’t
57:11 worry about the old you know media stuff
57:13 about salts gonna kill you low sodium is
57:15 the way to go that was bad science
57:18 magnesium we have clear data that you
57:21 actually have a lot more risk by being
57:24 insufficient in sodium than you do by
57:26 having too much and it’s like a
57:28 magnitude like a factor of seven to 12
57:31 or something like that it looks like a
57:33 hockey stick if you’re under and it’s a
57:37 very slight rise up to about 12 grams on
57:41 yes low-sodium thing it’s just like the
57:43 the low-fat thing it became Dogma at
57:45 some point but it’s not true nonsense
57:48 totally magnesium from your food 200
57:51 milligrams and as a supplement 400
57:54 milligrams so total 4 to 600 milligrams
57:57 you have to be careful about the form of
57:59 that because the wrong form will give
58:01 you disaster pants yes well okay
58:06 any magnesium can give you disaster
58:09 pants and the amount that you need
58:10 varies from individual to individual
58:12 some people need a little more so people
58:14 need a little less and the way that you
58:16 find out your threshold would be having
58:20 some loose stools
58:21 that’s that’s the worst thing is gonna
58:22 happen to you you would have a very hard
58:24 time reaching a toxic level without like
58:28 you know pooping everywhere problem is
58:36 eighty eighty percent of at least the
58:39 United States population maybe Canadians
58:41 are different eighty percent of us are
58:43 magnesium deficient at least yeah yeah
58:46 that’s crazy it is bizarre magnesium
58:49 deficiency is an epidemic and that
58:51 actually dr. James did Nick Latino is
58:55 that if that’s not the tide of its next
58:57 book it’s certainly a study that he just
59:00 came out with along with a bunch of
59:02 other folks in December and when we have
59:04 him on the show we’re gonna spend half
59:07 as I’m talking about salt and the other
59:08 half talking about magnesium because it
59:10 is it is in a crisis we are truly at
59:13 epidemic levels of deficiency it’s and
59:17 it’s so important to is such a number
59:19 systems potassium we recommend getting
59:22 total daily total of four thousand seven
59:26 hundred milligrams and that should come
59:30 from your food absolutely should but
59:33 it’s not but it won’t a lot of celery
59:37 it’s a it’s basically impossible to get
59:40 over about three thousand I did it you
59:43 did it by eating like nine spinach salad
59:47 stuff nine spinach salads half a pound
59:51 of pork and an entire head of celery
59:54 we said that it could not be done it can
59:57 be won the bar bet but let’s be honest
60:04 that’s not something you’re gonna do
60:06 every day alright so you can supplement
60:08 fighting with the potassium is like you
60:11 got to be really careful yeah and
60:15 there’s this no salt which you can just
60:16 pick up at the grocery store but it
60:18 tastes like but how many pots have you
60:25 tasted Karen alright family show moving
60:28 on also get potassium citrate which
60:42 tastes better it’s not awesome but it’s
60:45 not really really bad I am ok with the
60:49 no salt I kind of like it now potassium
60:53 citrate is the earthy aftertaste in
60:55 Gatorade so it tastes like socks that’s
61:00 what you’re saying it’s earthy it’s not
61:01 soccer bc earthy yeah you say erythema i
61:05 think it’s gonna okay so let’s put it
61:09 this way Karen I can put a scoop of that
61:12 with a little squirt of mio drops and my
61:14 kids will happily drink it as much as
61:16 they would Gatorade see I’m ok with yeah
61:22 it’s a very common complaint that they
61:24 don’t know it’s horrible that’s a quick
61:26 way well for someone who water fries
61:29 their chicken I’m not surprised that
61:32 your sophisticated palate is not mine no
61:34 salt
61:39 totally better but you guys be careful
61:41 about the quantity because there’s if
61:43 you take too much it’s gonna it’s gonna
61:45 be bad for your stomach it can be
61:52 disastrous for your heart so potassium
61:58 is a caustic chemical you will
61:59 physically give yourself a chemical burn
62:01 we have data and that showed that as
62:06 little as 1.5 grams of the
62:08 hassium will literally burn a hole in
62:10 your intestine they’ve done it humans
62:12 I think somebody hurt herself this
62:14 morning with a little bit of potassium
62:16 an unnamed may have decided that she was
62:23 just gonna lick a little potassium right
62:26 off the back of her hand
62:30 yeah I’ve seen put that I know we’re not
62:33 gonna spend lot of time here but just
62:34 aciem I’ve seen recommendations out
62:36 there that you should really be like
62:37 trying to take mega doses of potassium
62:40 to increase your number of potassium
62:42 something transporters that will change
62:45 your life let me know ray from rolled-up
62:55 newspaper
62:56 I disagree with Ray’s point of view I’m
63:04 glad that he hasn’t killed anyone yet
63:07 Karen did you have anything to add it’s
63:13 recycling dad another newspaper there is
63:22 a very vocal point of view from one
63:27 person a single person in his point of
63:31 view he’s advocating this yeah everyone
63:36 else disagrees I was puzzled by people
63:41 talking about this this extreme amount
63:45 of potassium I didn’t know where it was
63:46 coming from and I finally went and found
63:49 the files with the recommendations and I
63:52 was a little shocked I have to say I am
63:55 deeply concerned no medical professional
63:59 and land would allow you to do that in
64:02 front of them no none of them they would
64:07 they would smack it out of your hand if
64:09 you need if you have a extreme potassium
64:13 deficiency they give you time release
64:16 potassium
64:18 in increments of 500 milligrams not 7
64:22 grams and a half a gram time-release
64:27 yeah not only once not all at once not
64:31 even uh it will again they burned holes
64:36 in people’s stomachs by accident with as
64:38 little as a gram yeah this is not a joke
64:42 and that that’s just that’s the
64:44 mechanical problem once it gets into
64:46 your system it’s gonna take somebody
64:48 with afib and they know who knows what’s
64:51 gonna happen yeah for me um I require a
64:57 great deal of potassium but not not
64:59 above the my other concern is that there
65:04 are very common medications that
65:08 contraindicate taking calcium yeah well
65:12 a HC etz the blood pressure blood
65:16 pressure medications are notorious for
65:17 potassium sparing they shut off the
65:20 biological waste gate that would
65:22 normally let you pee out that potassium
65:24 before it kills you yeah yeah I said
65:30 nothing about that with the potassium
65:32 recommendations that I read unless it’s
65:34 somewhere that I didn’t see we we are on
65:39 record as saying bad dog yeah that that
65:47 is an undefendable position it is
65:49 bizarre it’s medically dangerous it’s
65:52 proven by science to be medically
65:54 dangerous do not do this and if you do
65:56 don’t tell me about it because I don’t
65:58 want any culpability in every bad
66:01 decision making thank you for clarifying
66:04 that you know they these people they use
66:06 rhea uses you know all these excited big
66:09 words and you know that’s a
66:11 capitalization and he sounds he’s just
66:14 so enthusiastic it’s easy to kind of
66:16 raise knowledgeable and altruistic he is
66:21 not a for-profit coach i mean it not
66:24 that any of us are making a lot of money
66:27 doing any coaching but when it comes
66:29 down to
66:31 what he’s doing he’s trying to help
66:33 people yeah we in this specific point we
66:36 believe he’s dangerously misguided okay
66:41 that’s that’s that’s the electrolyte
66:45 recommendations we have in our group in
66:48 addition to these three primary
66:52 electrolytes potassium magnesium and
66:54 sodium you notice that Jennifer said
66:58 just take salt there’s some freeriders
67:02 when it comes to salt and that is a
67:05 little chemical called chlorine
67:07 otherwise known as chloride in psionic
67:10 form and salt is NaCl sodium chloride it
67:16 is one of the other essential
67:18 electrolytes but we never talk about it
67:21 because the unless you’re doing weird
67:24 stuff with sodium citrate which nobody
67:26 has except for someone like me who’s
67:28 that weirdo
67:29 cheesy sauce you would not have a
67:33 dietary intake of sodium other than
67:35 sodium chloride so you’re getting all
67:37 the chloride you need and it’s just
67:39 riding along when you’re using salt good
67:44 nothing right yeah so we don’t have to
67:47 talk about it there’s no I’ve never I
67:50 couldn’t even imagine a scenario where
67:53 your sodium was okay but your your
67:55 chlorine was too and chloride was too
67:57 low I get it’s not possible I don’t the
68:00 math doesn’t work you can’t get there
68:01 from here so we’re good on that the next
68:06 one is phosphorus now phosphorus is
68:11 another one of these chemicals kind of
68:14 like potassium is extremely volatile
68:17 it’s uh you know slightly explosive in
68:20 the right conditions very caustic and
68:23 it’s in everything just like potassium
68:26 is it’s in you in great amounts as well
68:30 it’s in every cell in your body it’s in
68:34 your bones it’s in your teeth and it is
68:36 a partner with calcium by the way so for
68:42 most people you want to be somewhere
68:44 between seven
68:45 and four thousand milligrams that that
68:49 is a nice wide door to put through yeah
68:52 and as far as we know there aren’t
68:55 really any reasons to be on the upper
68:58 there’s there’s not an optimal part of
69:00 that range as long as you’re in the
69:03 ballpark you’re seem to be good enough
69:05 because you have massive reserves and it
69:09 you know as long as you there you there
69:11 now there are some things that you can
69:13 eat that have extraordinary levels of
69:17 phosphorus sunflower seeds and meat
69:20 would be the two things as well as
69:23 cheese you know a little slice of cheese
69:26 is gonna have a couple hundred or you
69:29 know two three hundred milligrams three
69:34 ounces of beef is gonna have a hundred
69:37 and fifty you know pretty much all the
69:39 meats have about 150 milligrams for
69:41 three ounces
69:43 fish you know like sardines have 350 for
69:48 a can the RDI about is it’s only this is
70:00 a concern for our vegan caterers well we
70:02 all it’s also in nuts and seeds and
70:05 legumes right so pepitas pumpkin seeds
70:09 and sunflower seeds
70:10 have profound levels pumpkin seeds have
70:14 700 milligrams your entire dailies
70:17 requirement in a quarter cup of pepitas
70:19 which is not that much no it is
70:22 everywhere busy it’s a nice bunch it’s a
70:24 it’s everywhere
70:25 it’s why you don’t that’s why we don’t
70:27 talk about it very much because for the
70:28 most part people are getting all they
70:30 need just by drive by osmosis you’d only
70:37 see symptoms of deficiency in somebody
70:38 that was severely researching calories
70:42 not eating yeah I mean yeah yet you have
70:46 two eggs and you’ve got 150 milligrams
70:49 it does not take you know you have four
70:53 ounces of meat for lunch
70:54 you got it another 300 milligrams you’re
70:58 already
70:59 had 500 milligrams you only you know
71:00 need to get one more meal in and you’re
71:02 good and that’s not even counting like
71:04 you know the hundred that you’re gonna
71:06 get from the broccoli and the you know
71:08 all that stuff so it you’re made me
71:11 hungry I’m trying to fast it here is
71:14 where the wheels come off that wagon oh
71:18 ketogenic athlete’s sweats and when you
71:24 sweat one of the minerals that you lose
71:28 as phosphorus it is regrettable zinc is
71:33 the other one which we’re going to talk
71:34 about next this is one of the reasons
71:38 that for me I use sunflower seeds and
71:43 almonds as part of my fueling strategy
71:47 snacking strategy especially for long
71:51 sweaty endurance events like let’s say
71:54 I’m going out and I’m training for a
71:56 half marathon I’m gonna be out for you
71:59 know two hours in the hot July Sun I’m
72:03 going to be munching on some almonds
72:06 nice smoked almonds in my little run bag
72:08 and one of the things I’m getting out of
72:11 that is the phosphorus nice the only
72:17 thing I have to do with phosphorus is I
72:19 included in a fertilizer when I’m
72:29 critical if you are a carbon-based life
72:31 form you need some phosphorus but
72:34 organic carbon only if you’re deficient
72:37 you need to worry about our good zinc
72:47 right
72:49 I like your deficient if if you’re
72:53 within the sound of my voice you’re
72:56 likely deficient in zinc I’m gonna make
72:59 that claim it is a lot of people who are
73:06 efficient I have attained zero but much
73:10 like magnesium you’re not getting enough
73:12 well speak now but that is it makes you
73:15 more likely to become diabetic zinc is
73:20 involved in everything in your body when
73:23 you start looking at the bioactive
73:25 vectors of zinc it’s as long as your
73:30 every is the magnesium has 900 different
73:34 reactions
73:35 I think zinc is a close second like six
73:38 or 700 bizarre how involved it is in
73:42 everything
73:43 oh it’s highly involved in sexual
73:45 function – only well on one side more
73:50 than the other on it for a certain fluid
73:57 moving along yeah if you’re a teenage
74:00 boy yeah the the group of nutritionists
74:07 that that I hang with at what they like
74:09 to say zinc for your dink that’s how you
74:12 remember what it’s she doesn’t ask us
74:16 for approval for these jokes ladies and
74:18 gentlemen she just cooks them up and
74:20 throws them right out there blind
74:21 I thought not it’s not something that I
74:24 have any control over please any
74:27 concerns too impulsive Karen at
74:29 hotmail.com all right so here’s here’s a
74:35 problem with zinc you only need a few
74:38 milligrams of it but so here’s the
74:45 problem too much things bad though
74:48 Raina’s weird problem of you need a
74:50 little bit but not too much and it’s in
74:53 foods in a unpredictable way because
74:57 it’s such a minor amount my
75:01 recommendation is to supplement zinc and
75:03 I do and my wife does now we supplement
75:07 fifty milligrams and we use zinc
75:09 picolinate because it has great
75:12 absorption so 50 milligrams ink
75:15 picolinate more than that is not a great
75:20 idea and I know there are schools of
75:22 thought on this
75:24 there’s this weirdo relationship between
75:28 some of these metals and minerals like
75:30 zinc and copper actually have a
75:35 relationship not only do you have to
75:37 have them you have to have them in a
75:40 minimum ratio for instance your diet
75:45 should have at least 8 to 1 zinc to
75:48 copper even more is better a hard 12 the
75:53 ones even better than that so you’ve got
75:56 to push that ratio without getting nuts
76:00 to keep all these reactions in their
76:05 optimal state it can be very tricky to
76:08 track all that Jennifer if only there
76:10 was technology well I was something I
76:14 mentioned this year earlier it looks
76:15 like chronometer did an upgrade over the
76:18 last couple of days and now when you
76:19 look at your daily food log it’s
76:21 displaying these ratios I’m like what
76:24 the heck is this stuff because I’ve
76:26 never seen this before but now sudden
76:27 it’s giving me these meters telling me
76:30 my zinc to copper ratio my omega-6 to
76:34 omega-3 ratio which is not good by the
76:36 way
76:37 potassium the sodium ratio calcium to
76:40 magnesium ratio and by PR al alkalinity
76:45 which is I don’t know that not good I
76:47 guess well we’ll talk about that in a
76:49 second I’m definitely done because
76:52 that’s an interesting topic in and of
76:53 itself okay so this relationship doing
76:58 zinc and copper they you know they’re
77:00 involved in similar stuff at the ratios
77:02 wrong yeah it’s suboptimal so by using
77:05 chronometer to track your food you can
77:09 get a sense of your dietary intake of
77:12 these micronutrients and make any
77:16 adjustments that you would need to and
77:19 like I mentioned we want you to be 8 to
77:22 1 or higher and if you’re not there then
77:25 you may need to supplement or you may
77:27 need to make some changes to remove some
77:30 copper from your what how would I remove
77:34 copper from my diet what I didn’t know
77:35 cop eating things that have copper in
77:37 them
77:38 okay well again we’re talking about
77:42 milligrams here it’s not like you’re
77:44 licking a copper spoon this is a you
77:48 know the that’s probably kale will be my
77:51 guess everything pumpkin seeds yeah I
77:57 I’d have to go look up and see what has
78:00 copper and it’s just not the the problem
78:03 is it’s not the amount of copper it’s
78:06 making sure that you have enough zinc to
78:07 cover the copper
78:08 okay so pumpkin seeds have both zinc and
78:11 copper as long as it’s the right ratio I
78:12 should just shout out it sounds to me
78:15 like that would be licensed to go hog on
78:17 it alright YUM I love pumpkin seeds for
78:22 most people they’re zinc they’re lightly
78:25 zinc deficient they need to add a little
78:28 zinc and it’s difficult to find in food
78:31 in the right ratios it’s just easier to
78:33 take the pill and the pills super cheap
78:35 it’s like six dollars for a two-month
78:36 supply so I just do that okay I’m
78:40 willing I’m willing to cover stuff like
78:43 this I don’t want to think too hard
78:44 about it I’d rather just take the pill
78:47 and know I’m getting it then to worry
78:50 about biological sources and track my
78:53 food and everything else you know I’m
78:55 doing that I came on oh I I got the palm
78:57 of my hand that’s all the logging I have
78:59 going on yeah that’s fair but what about
79:03 like if I use like copper pans or copper
79:07 bowls or something is that kinda messing
79:09 up I’m not prepared to answer that
79:13 question oh darn it oh okay I am aware
79:18 of the fact that people use copper bowls
79:21 to make meringue because the copper ions
79:26 will enhance the FO might functions of
79:29 the proteins in the egg to make it foam
79:32 better so if I were to extrapolate that
79:36 I would say that you do get copper when
79:38 you cook in copper especially if you’re
79:41 cooking something acidic like frying up
79:44 some chicken using like spaghetti sauce
79:47 or something uh-huh that would
79:51 and copper cookware it’s like very
79:53 trendy right now it’s like super
79:55 expensive and it’s like the luxury
79:57 cookware is copper but it’s not nonstick
80:00 you can’t make copper nonstick so that’s
80:01 not great
80:02 in fact copper nonstick cookware is it
80:06 enameled I will tell you copper now I
80:10 have a black coating on it ceramic it’s
80:14 a ceramic nonstick cookware yeah you
80:17 would not want to cook with copper I’ve
80:19 worked with copper as a metal Smith and
80:22 as a whole that is a sticky metal you
80:24 would not want to fry an egg on a copper
80:26 pan unless it’s coated or you know
80:28 boiled in a lot of water if you’re Caron
80:30 I’m looking at her okay copper pans
80:34 right now from Macy’s set of eight
80:37 including frying pans and stuff $1,200
80:40 that’s right my beautiful copper colored
80:43 pans that are you know super no-stick
80:46 they aren’t natural Karen Jennifer asked
80:49 me that Karen had to step away there for
80:51 a minute Jennifer asked me if cooking
80:54 with copper pans was unfavorable to
80:56 maintaining this zinc copper ratio and I
81:00 didn’t have a good answer I was trying
81:01 to tap-dance my way into something you
81:07 would avoid this for the most part
81:09 particularly for women for men isn’t as
81:11 much of an issue but you just said you
81:15 have copper pans well I have coated ones
81:18 they just that’s what I’m saying I think
81:21 most copper pans are Copperbottom pans
81:24 and are actually enameled you see the
81:28 old-timey stuff you know the people like
81:30 it they hang it up on their ceiling okay
81:33 I remember my grandma had a copper pan
81:36 for making meringue yeah yeah you see
81:39 this a lot and you know people don’t use
81:41 them as much but they still keep them
81:43 around the kitchen um
81:46 copper is one of those things where it’s
81:49 very hard not to get it you know it’s
81:52 like the phosphorous right so you’re
81:54 more concerned with with making sure
81:57 you’re getting enough zinc and then the
81:58 copper isn’t an issue
81:59 alright so too much zinc is bad and that
82:02 threshold is actually pretty low right
82:04 yeah
82:05 okay so you have a finite amount of zinc
82:09 that you can add so coppers in
82:11 everything we’re talking about removing
82:14 copper sources right a little bit yeah
82:19 how do you do that I maybe I have a bad
82:23 answer on this this is not a ratio that
82:25 this is below my level of micro nutrient
82:29 Asst how does one keep this ratio over
82:34 eight you know I’ve always heard 8 to 1
82:37 it’s kind of the thing you’re looking
82:38 for I know Chris Master John did a
82:40 series on this but I haven’t listened to
82:42 it because I couldn’t care well there’s
82:44 no way of knowing what your personal
82:46 ratio needs to be because you don’t know
82:50 everyone is different they have
82:52 different levels different things
82:54 they’ve been exposed to different metals
82:56 so what you do is you just ensure that
83:00 you are getting adequate zinc through
83:03 food sources and maybe supplements okay
83:06 and then it’s not an issue now with
83:09 women you know with it with our with our
83:12 women’s issues a common problem
83:17 particularly with women they’ve taken
83:18 birth control pills is not enough zinc
83:22 to copper in in that ratio too much
83:24 copper not enough zinc and then you get
83:27 these premenstrual issues of moodiness
83:29 cram penis so and sleep is a big
83:38 susceptibility to colds and flus and
83:41 brittle nails and all sorts of things
83:43 that come with Nancy thank you patience
83:48 is a common reason for insomnia I forgot
83:50 all about how a man that was like that’s
83:53 one of the big things that you know sums
83:55 up like to look at when people have
83:59 insomnia right there were a lot of
84:00 minerals so you could look at if
84:02 somebody’s having difficulty sleeping
84:05 particularly if they’re not eating the
84:07 whole foods diet so with zinc if you’re
84:12 having these PMS symptoms just look for
84:16 it in food and
84:19 that’ll balance out the copper to zinc
84:21 cool or as I can plenty of zinc and zinc
84:29 acetate writer for nosing and coughing
84:37 on you for like three days straight yeah
84:41 alright
84:42 yeah I got so I have been getting some
84:44 zinc C niacin see you put those in then
84:51 things will look up I just real quick
84:55 I’m gonna mention iodine and I need to I
85:00 need to have a word with our
85:02 self-diagnosed hypothyroid folks for a
85:06 moment oh oh listen you screwballs
85:10 needed knock it off with the I did are
85:12 all at twelve point five milligrams that
85:15 I know y’all ordered from Amazon stop it
85:18 right now
85:19 what do you think get some labs get some
85:22 help
85:23 12 milligrams is sixteen thousand
85:28 percent of the amount of iodine you need
85:31 and the reason your thyroid isn’t
85:33 working has nothing to do with iodine
85:35 insufficiency
85:36 so mega dosing it up the nose is not
85:39 going to help you so knocking off guys I
85:45 had to step out for a minute and talk
85:48 beside my head there for a second it was
85:50 yeah it’s freaky so I did a roll is that
85:55 like a adderall or is that the I did a
85:58 rod with their daughters there’s a very
86:01 popular brand of iodine supplement I
86:05 think that’s what it’s called right if
86:08 your hypothyroidism is caused by
86:10 autoimmune disease then all the iodine
86:13 in the world is going to matter it pick
86:16 will it well not only that but if you’ve
86:22 incorrectly self diagnosed and you
86:26 actually have hyper thyroid and start
86:31 pumping iron in there
86:32 you’re not feeding the Beast yes I do
86:36 either all I draw a little purple bottle
86:41 and it comes in twelve point five
86:44 milligrams they call it high potency and
86:48 boy they are not kidding eight thousand
86:53 three hundred and thirty three percent
86:54 of the daily value okay so here is the
86:58 holistic test for iodine that I think is
87:01 bullcrap and I’m gonna ask I’m gonna ask
87:03 you if you think it is – they put the
87:06 iodine on your skin and if it absorbs
87:10 they say that you are deficient what
87:16 yeah I’ve had people tell me this and
87:18 I’m like good that would just meet you
87:21 and that’s not how that works yeah
87:24 exactly so I would just like to get that
87:27 out there that this is wu-oh because
87:33 they’re finding that and so they’re
87:34 putting a drop on their skin oh look at
87:36 absorbs I’m I need to be seven eight
87:38 thousand percent of my nose
87:40 meanwhile in January and Canada and your
87:43 skin is just dry so it’s sucking up
87:45 anything that you put on it that is I
87:48 had not heard this as his bizarre if you
87:51 go back to episode 12 when Theresa and I
87:53 talked about thyroid as well I had to
87:56 speak to them as well with Theresa on my
88:00 back for that yeah just don’t do it this
88:04 is not a good plan the amount of iodide
88:06 you need is very small it is important
88:10 and it is so important they put it in
88:13 salt because everybody in the country
88:17 was deficient in iodine so much that
88:21 they put it in the salt the same way
88:23 they put folic acid into the wheat flour
88:26 because so many people were deficient in
88:29 folate in the same way they put the
88:31 fluoride in the water right and in the
88:33 fluoride in the water these these are
88:35 population pandemic levels of problem
88:39 and the easiest way to solve it is to
88:40 firehose it to everyone
88:44 yes you are likely in need of iodine
88:47 especially if you don’t eat things that
88:49 swim in the sea or float in the sea all
88:52 right well I don’t use the iodized salt
88:55 you know I think Himalayan salt tastes a
88:57 lot better and then there’s the Celtic
88:59 sea salt and the red Hawaiian salt and
89:01 the black yeah salt and how many kind of
89:04 salt do you have like case they’re
89:16 Costco iodized people gave me salt what
89:19 can I say all right all right here’s the
89:22 thing it’s difficult to get salt hard to
89:27 get iodine in your diet it’s not in very
89:31 many things in an appreciable amount
89:34 except for the sea so if you eating
89:37 seaweed fish fish that eat seaweed you
89:42 get plenty of either yeah if you’re
89:49 looking for a little bit anything goes
89:51 in the ground that is stinky often has a
89:55 little bit of it as well mm-hmm
90:00 I’ve been told but sometimes if you’re
90:03 craving potato chips then maybe you just
90:05 need a little seaweed I don’t know it is
90:09 my recommendation that if you’re someone
90:12 who feels like your iodine is
90:14 insufficient that you either
90:16 occasionally have those seaweed snacks
90:20 which are for most people delicious but
90:23 they let’s make no mistake about it they
90:25 sort of smell fishy you don’t like if
90:29 you can’t stand the smell of fish you
90:32 will not like seaweed cracker judge my
90:40 kids will not eat those seaweed crackers
90:42 but they will eat salmon and though eat
90:45 sardines out of a can and they won’t eat
90:47 those daggum seaweed things it’s not
90:52 that it’s the combo between fish smell
90:55 and green
90:55 together I find the ones from Costco to
90:58 be fantastic
90:59 I personally buy those and I have them
91:03 as snack sometimes they’re there they’re
91:08 also good for flavoring soups hey take
91:11 one sheet soup being do some neat stuff
91:13 of it so much Japanese rollers cook with
91:15 that stuff like every every meal of
91:17 everything there you go if you don’t
91:21 want to go this route and you want to
91:23 supplement do not buy the idols you need
91:29 to buy kelp tablets Wow kelp tablets
91:33 have 300 micrograms and it’s a much more
91:37 reasonable supplement there are also
91:40 like $6 for a six-month supply not
91:44 expensive what sounds pretty good
91:46 don’t get nuts anytime you look on the
91:50 back of a bottle of something and it
91:52 says eight thousand percent that should
91:55 give you pause and if it doesn’t then
91:58 you’re crazy
92:01 there’s biology at work here and most of
92:06 these RTA’s are based on observation
92:08 well let’s look at all the populations
92:11 in the world what is the highest level
92:13 of iodine intake from anybody who’s
92:15 healthy they go about 300 micrograms
92:19 they go okay cool that is the
92:21 recommended daily maximum value and then
92:25 somebody goes on the marketplace and
92:27 puts out a pill that has eight thousand
92:30 percent of that eight thousand percent
92:33 and you go huh one is nothing in nature
92:37 has this much in it more must be better
92:41 yeah listen that is not smart that is if
92:50 there is no greater danger than here be
92:52 dragons any time you start putting
92:55 zeroes on the end of something related
92:57 to biology you better slow your roll
93:00 that’s all I need iodine you do need
93:04 iodine this is you don’t see iodine
93:07 deficiency very much I mean
93:09 because it’s in our table salt existence
93:10 and salt except in the paleo community
93:14 with their Dagon pink salt you get too
93:19 many hippies with their sea salt
93:21 they don’t have iodine it now Morgan’s
93:24 actually makes an iodized Celtic sea
93:26 salt nice I got I got some iodized sea
93:33 salt from Whole Foods the other day that
93:36 was pretty nice too but you can’t always
93:39 trust that to be an awesome source of
93:42 iodine Karen is there any way to tell
93:44 that you might be deficient besides this
93:47 skin test division with iodine i you
93:50 know i am not too sure what the test
93:52 would be for for iodine deficiency i
93:54 mean you can see it in some types of
93:59 skin you can guess but I haven’t
94:02 researched anything about testing for
94:05 iodine deficiency yeah I don’t I’m not
94:07 even sure how you evaluate a deficiency
94:17 did they eat any small fish on a regular
94:20 basis and as long as they’re eating fish
94:21 that eats algae or seaweed then I’m like
94:24 all right we’re good yeah where we get
94:26 into trouble as folks are like oh I hate
94:28 fish then I’m like wool you probably
94:31 need out that was they suit eight they
94:33 say say two things they say they hate
94:34 fish and that they clean paleo and they
94:37 would never touch Morton’s because it’s
94:39 processed right mm-hmm
94:42 the only much machining a little there’s
94:45 nothing wrong with that i sell asked
94:47 doctor the neck he will tell you i salt
94:50 is great no one wants a grater well i
94:54 think it’s plenty of fish myself i love
94:56 fish but my husband it does not and he
95:00 doesn’t I’m gonna have to tip him off to
95:02 the the iodine salt thing yeah just have
95:05 him go look for a fancy salt and use
95:07 that as so here’s what we do because at
95:09 that you know as much rational grief as
95:12 I was giving you I have a few salts
95:14 myself is it truffle salt our table salt
95:19 is iodized Cecil
95:22 okay and our cooking salt is kosher meat
95:28 whatever whatever yep but Tate the table
95:32 salt is iodized that’s how I saw the
95:34 problem in my house we don’t I don’t
95:37 take kelp tablets I do eat seaweed but
95:40 not everybody in the family eats those
95:42 but everybody gets the iodized table
95:44 salt on the table now seems to be about
95:47 enough so I’m much more worried about
95:52 people doing mega-doses because it’s not
95:55 good for lots of reasons and if you
95:57 understand that go back and listen i
95:58 royde show with Teresa juice man it do
96:01 you I got bacon salt see I’m saying
96:07 their magical self Sandra gave me black
96:10 salt from volcanoes and Hawaii mm-hmm
96:15 fantastic selenium aka the Brazil nut
96:23 mineral hahaha so am I supposed to have
96:27 like a Brazil nut a day or something do
96:30 you have a thyroid issue maybe yes yeah
96:34 all right – Brazil nuts a day you may
96:38 have to Brazil nuts every day all right
96:40 what about three well now you’re
96:43 starting to push the envelope baby doll
96:45 yeah there is such a thing as too much
96:48 selenium and the amount is very low when
96:51 you’re talking about Brazil nuts because
96:52 Brazil nuts have a massive amount of
96:54 selenium in it cool why why why just
96:58 this one species of nut it’s super weird
97:01 and grows in a strange place Brazil I
97:06 guess right one would one hopes why
97:12 would it be disappointing if that wasn’t
97:13 the case like the biggest brazil nut
97:17 farm is you know and like des moines or
97:19 something if you are someone who is on a
97:25 thyroid protocol and you’re not taking a
97:29 selenium supplement in your multivitamin
97:34 because i get his read device
97:36 in bottle there’s no selenium in your
97:39 Centrum silver which there is then you
97:44 need to consider a dietary source or a
97:46 standalone supplement again these are
97:49 all rocks the supplements for these if
97:52 you want to take take them in pill form
97:54 they’re super cheap
97:56 oh yeah a bottle of selenium that’s like
98:00 at was it 60 is the 60 milligrams or 6
98:03 micrograms order I don’t even know what
98:04 the unit is I’m because of nobody who
98:08 whatever the thing is I don’t quote me
98:11 on this but yeah the RDA amount of
98:17 supplemented selenium that bottles like
98:19 4 dollars for a 300 it’s because it’s
98:23 literally dirty dirt yeah you get a
98:28 whole bunch of minerals you can just go
98:30 out and eat some soil there you go yeah
98:32 just go out there give it a little lick
98:34 get some free provide be really good so
98:39 anyway I indeed the most significant
98:43 exporter of Brazil nuts is Bolivia nice
98:47 see that’s all right the final topic for
98:57 today’s show alkalinity your body can be
99:07 acidic or alkaline otherwise known as
99:11 acid and base lemon juice from baking
99:13 soda you know we all remember that from
99:15 high school chemistry right it make it
99:18 make of the volcano with the baking soda
99:20 and the vinegar and the vinegar is the
99:24 base and the other stuff is the acid
99:27 what did I get it wrong that would be an
99:32 F vinegar is acetic acid Oh sodium
99:40 bicarbonate is the base okay well I had
99:45 a 50% chance I know good luck yeah yeah
99:49 a real good chance there alright so I
99:53 never made a volcano either Jennifer we
99:55 both had deprived childhood I guess
99:57 terrible here’s the thing your body
99:59 maintains its pH to three decimal points
100:04 of accuracy someone who has high pH is 7
100:09 point 5 versus seven point three someone
100:15 who has incredibly low life threatening
100:18 ly low pH is 7 point 2 life threatening
100:21 lilo the difference between lemon juice
100:25 and baking soda is like five pH
100:29 difference so understand that in the
100:32 scheme of things now that’s a
100:34 logarithmic scale of course so the the
100:38 difference between something that’s
100:39 really acidic and something that’s
100:42 really alkaline in your body is three
100:47 decimal places wide minuscule amounts
100:51 your body’s most tightly regulated
100:53 function is balancing pH and it does so
100:57 using a series of 13 redundant
101:01 biochemical process that’s how important
101:04 it is to be perfect do not tell me that
101:07 your blood is acidic that you have
101:11 acidity problems because you did you’d
101:13 be dead but there’s an entire book and
101:17 chronometer gives me this little fuel
101:20 gauge and it has like a green zone and
101:23 the rest of it and I’m not in the green
101:24 zone so I’m kind of concerned about this
101:26 I don’t like to use the word bozo but
101:34 here’s the deal there is something that
101:37 is real which is your body has to manage
101:40 that pH that’s not free there is a
101:44 substrate in a series of substrates that
101:47 it uses to maintain that pH to the sweet
101:50 spot you can even include certain things
101:54 in your diet that will improve its
101:57 ability to buffer and manage that pH
102:00 within the range that is ideal
102:02 okay like water water bicarbonate al
102:09 see’em I mean there’s a ton of stuff
102:11 right these are all base things not acid
102:15 things well they’re their buffers they
102:19 I’m not going to get into a chemistry
102:21 lesson on the difference between a pH
102:23 buffer and an acid but oh darn it just
102:28 there are things that make it difficult
102:31 for the pH to change that don’t make it
102:34 go up or down you know you take an acid
102:37 and a base and I’m together and they
102:38 they’re neutral right right right but
102:41 you can actually take an acid and add it
102:44 to a buffer and it doesn’t move okay
102:48 that makes sense
102:49 so having buffer substrate is good but
102:54 here’s what happens
102:55 your body needs somewhere to dump all
102:57 this excess acid and base mostly gonna
103:02 come out in the urine okay
103:06 breath too but a couple other ways but
103:08 but primarily you’re gonna see wild
103:12 swings as a result of what goes on in
103:15 the urine yeah so if someone had
103:19 something in their urine that was you
103:21 know acidic like keto diet there were
103:29 high me diet yeah you think they might
103:32 be able to notice that a little yes
103:34 you’ll see it you can actually take a pH
103:37 strip and pee on it and you will see
103:40 that it may be acidic or basic and bad
103:46 well well
103:48 acidic just means that your body has
103:51 excess acid and it’s having to dump it
103:54 out of the wastegate your body’s
104:01 perfectly equipped to do so and does so
104:04 with no complaint up to a point
104:07 yeah how do I know when I’ve hit that
104:11 point I mean I’m yeah you get really
104:13 sick really fast
104:15 that’s called acidosis you know like
104:19 ketoacidosis nuts one of the key
104:23 features of that is that is a medical
104:26 emergency
104:27 that’s your body has lost the ability to
104:29 manage the pH and your you’re going
104:32 acidic and things are gonna go downhill
104:35 real quick because your body you like
104:37 you start breathing fast trying to dump
104:38 carbon dioxide all this crazy stuff oh
104:41 well yeah but it’s all an attempt to
104:44 mitigate things that have exceeded your
104:47 body’s capacity to do so and become
104:49 life-threatening very quickly as I say
104:51 if your pH is if you’re walking around
104:53 and you’re super acidic you you have
104:56 hours to live maybe even yawns you’re
104:58 not walking around you’re not walking
104:59 around you’re hopefully one of your
105:01 friends is dialing 911 on behalf of your
105:04 unconscious body well be at the argument
105:07 that I heard you know this is I don’t
105:09 know right but they said that if you’re
105:12 you eat a lot of acidic foods that it
105:16 will leach the calcium from your bones
105:20 acid forming foods well so this is where
105:24 it gets interesting because calcium in
105:26 your bones is mobilize a bowl to manage
105:30 pH remember I said your body has a whole
105:34 bunch of systems a bunch of different
105:36 ways to manage it it’s got a bicarbonate
105:38 resource it’s got calcium there’s a lot
105:41 of ways that your body can do it and it
105:44 will do different things depending on a
105:46 lot of biology that gets very
105:48 complicated very quickly but suffice it
105:51 to say your pH load the amount of load
105:56 before that is influenced by your diet
106:00 it doesn’t mean that high or low is good
106:04 or bad we’re not here to make that claim
106:06 because frankly you can’t but for many
106:11 people they believe that having a
106:13 neutral urine is indicative of a well
106:19 balanced pH in the body that’s not
106:22 entirely true because of the buffer
106:24 story but it’s an interesting thought
106:28 for better or worse it can be launched
106:33 if that is something that you think is
106:34 interesting or important you can do so
106:37 now most people who eat carbohydrate are
106:39 actually alkaline all time their body’s
106:42 slightly in an alkaline state they’re
106:45 shedding alkalinity and that’s good
106:50 I can’t say many people would claim that
107:02 alkaline is preferable to acidic except
107:06 for the fact that most people are
107:07 actually alkaline not ascetic so that
107:10 argument kind of gets weird most people
107:14 who are ketogenic are gonna be acidic
107:17 most people that eat a lot of healthy
107:20 food vegetables and whatnot are gonna be
107:22 slightly acidic unhealthily so that’s
107:27 not what I’m saying we’re we’re talking
107:30 about a FAQ not a judgement does that
107:33 make sense yeah I cannot I cannot be
107:37 more clear when I say I do not have a
107:39 position on acidic versus alkaline as
107:43 being favorable to health and there’s no
107:47 evidence that that is a true thing
107:50 anybody who claims of their evidence is
107:52 absolutely selling something they’re
107:55 trying to sell you a really long book
107:57 probably hey we do talk a lot about that
108:02 in the other course that I’ve taken and
108:06 and it’s very much lit there are a
108:09 couple of my instructors that do believe
108:12 in this alkaline diet but most they
108:18 don’t think that it would matter at all
108:19 so they just asked me today on the
108:21 boards if I thought a alkaline diet
108:23 would help them fight cancer because
108:27 that that’s out there like people think
108:30 there that would be you know a
108:32 predominantly plant-based diet you know
108:36 and there really is no evidence that
108:40 having
108:42 a vegan diet is going to save you from
108:46 cancer that’s a claim well beyond the
108:50 scope of evidence that I’ve ever seen so
108:53 yeah I mention the other things that
108:56 contribute to your risk for that right
109:00 they can’t say one way or the other I
109:01 mean they can always you know pull
109:02 cherry-pick certain bits of evidence one
109:05 way or the other just say that it’s
109:07 better to be on an omnivore vegan there
109:11 are food lists out on the internet that
109:14 will show you the pr al the potential
109:17 renal acid load of various foods that’s
109:22 what the chronometer meter says it brl
109:25 the thing that Jennifer is talking about
109:27 that they just added to chronometer I
109:29 assume will actually look all that stuff
109:33 up in their fancy database and help you
109:36 calculate your acid load relative to
109:41 your urine not to your body to your
109:46 urine because here is where the all this
109:50 starts to fall apart lemon juice acid or
109:55 base citric acid acid correct okay wait
110:12 he thought he knew something if you
110:17 squeeze a lemon and make the juice and
110:20 drink the juice will your urine become
110:25 acidic or alkaline I think this is a
110:29 trick question but I’m going to say you
110:31 just consumed
110:33 citric acid you’re gonna pee out you’ve
110:37 got breached your acid load in your body
110:39 therefore it makes perfectly logical
110:42 sense that that which comes out would be
110:44 an increased load of acid therefore you
110:47 should have slightly more acidic urine
110:49 right that could not be more wrong huh
110:53 yeah
110:54 that’s not that’s not how it works and
110:57 that’s not the only thing that does that
110:59 do in fact you’re something very
111:01 interesting about coffee that coffee is
111:04 acidic right and dairy can be it can be
111:07 acidic you have together and it reduces
111:11 their amount of acidity huh mm-hmm
111:15 which is weird that chemistry gets
111:17 really deep in the weeds very quickly on
111:20 a one-by-one basis say it point being
111:23 it’s darn complicated to calculate this
111:26 stuff so it’s kind of cool that
111:28 chronometer could help you with that
111:31 because it lets say that you bought into
111:33 the theory I I can prevent cancer by
111:37 going on an alkaline diet okay great
111:40 I’m not here to tell you that’s a dumb
111:41 idea because I have no evidence to
111:43 suggest that it’s bad or good it just I
111:45 just
111:46 it’s an unproven thought yeah so that’s
111:50 what your diet thing well that’s the
111:53 other thing is the way that you’re gonna
111:56 be this is by dumping a bunch of green
111:59 vegetables into your plate needing that
112:03 even on the protein okay fine so you do
112:07 that but then how do you track things
112:09 that may not work exactly biologically
112:12 like you think they would things like
112:15 citric acid being the most common gotcha
112:18 on that is that doesn’t work the way you
112:20 think it does yeah and that’s just why
112:25 the biology and is a super complicated
112:27 so it’s kind of cool that we can see
112:32 chronometer tracking that if you’re
112:34 interested in this kind of stuff there
112:37 is a lot out on the internet that you
112:39 can look for now that you know the
112:40 acronym PR al you can google that up and
112:44 find all sorts of information I’m not an
112:48 expert in this and I’m generally a pupu
112:52 or of the thought although I do believe
112:56 that there is merit in trying to balance
113:01 your urine output to be neutral yeah I
113:05 believe that to be interesting and I
113:07 leave
113:08 and share a little story which is my
113:11 wife got a UTI yeah which is sometimes a
113:14 little painful now one of the reasons
113:17 it’s painful is because you have an
113:18 infection all the tissues like heated up
113:20 and you know just like if you have a you
113:23 know a sunburn and you get in a hot
113:24 shower inflamed tissue you know it is
113:28 very sensitive much more so than normal
113:30 I bust out my little you know mr. wizard
113:35 chemistry set pH strip okay and I had
113:40 her pee on pH strip and determine if she
113:46 was acidic or basic what is that well
113:51 the first time she was acidic so I
113:54 started pushing lemonade at her citric
113:58 acid yeah which neutralized which
114:02 alkalized her urine and brought it back
114:05 to neutral
114:06 but then she took it upon herself to do
114:10 a lot more lemonade okay I wasn’t
114:12 looking oh and he just kept going going
114:15 and then he got alkaline again alright
114:18 so then we had to bring an acid load
114:21 back into it
114:23 so wildwing wednesday them well we
114:27 actually went for the tomato sauce is
114:30 how I do interesting so so neutral is
114:37 the best but it’s not really that
114:39 important comfort level a for purposes
114:44 of her very sensitive inflamed tissue
114:49 neutral is favorable yeah I wasn’t
114:53 trying to adjust her body’s pH I was
114:55 literally trying to adjust her urines pH
114:58 so that it was neither acidic or basic
115:02 because that way we would be slightly
115:06 more inflammatory than if it was
115:08 perfectly neutral you know I do this
115:11 these things with skin all the time I go
115:14 dirt and certain facial treatments that
115:16 you do that are more acidic and more
115:18 more alkalizing to treat different
115:20 things sure
115:22 so there can be some very practical
115:24 reasons why you would want to do that
115:25 and UTIs would probably be the most
115:27 common one that I could buy into as a
115:30 and you know as a sigh and man of
115:33 evidence-based science you tell me
115:36 you’ve got inflamed tissue
115:38 I don’t you that neutral liquid is going
115:41 to be favorable over acidic liquid
115:44 that’s an easy argument I personally do
115:48 not need those ketone strips because I
115:50 can tell without having to be on the
115:53 strip whether I’m supplying ketones dad
115:55 is an interesting job there and I had
115:57 never even really considered that yeah
116:01 using a little bicarb helps to well that
116:05 you know hey you know that that’s
116:07 another show of why is there by carbon
116:10 fairy dust well it’s not what you think
116:17 okay well we have a meandered all over
116:23 the world today we’re talking about the
116:28 urine stuff so the next thing we’ll
116:30 wander into is dry fasting oh my god let
116:42 me off this wild right all right
116:47 everybody well y’all have fun now here
116:52 no one in this podcast is a provider of
116:54 health care and our discussion is based
116:56 on things we read on the Internet it’s
116:57 not an intensive render medical rescue
116:59 institution only you and their doctor
117:01 practices
117:02 the treatment diagnosis and specially
117:04 the impact of the surgeon
117:05 once Jeffery prescribed the doctor a
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